[Blackwidow]

Hey all,

As you noticed I lost my motivation a bit for raiding. The main reason for me is that we have to pug so many people, and often pugs leave again when there’s a wipe. It takes some time then to fill the spots again. Beside the long breaks I also don’t see the fun if a couple of powerfull pugs carry me. If we beat bosses I wanna have the feeling that we did it as a team. Around 4-5 years ago we had a large community and then we didn’t need pugs. At that time raids were good fun for me.

It would motivate me to come back for raiding if we (slowly) try to get a bigger community, until we dont need the pugs anymore. That would mean that we write in the description that we’re a progressing group. There’s a good chanche the whiners won’t join then, but we get people like us in the group. People who like to raid in a nice atmosphere. I realise it takes some time before we have again a big community group, but in the end I think we have a nice raidgroup who’s not dependent anymore on pugs.

Also I think it’s important that we start with normal, and that finishing normal is the maingoal. We can try after heroic, but if we see the group can’t defeat some heroic bosses then go back to normal or maybe first heroic bosses. To be honest I see the last years we struggle a bit with our dps numbers. It’s fine for normal but I think it’s not enough for the later heroic bosses. And that’s all fine. But it might be more realistic then to skip those hard heroic bosses.

Beside all I wrote so far I have a final point. Sometimes we have real pug-assholes in the group. Thats’very annoying, and I can understand well if we remove them from the group. But I also noticed that sometimes some pugs wanna give us good advice. They just wanna help us, and at the same time I noticed that some people from our community reacted very negatively to it. It would be nice if we could see the difference between constructive criticism and misbehavior.

I also hope that I am not offending anyone personally with my response. It’s just my perception of raiding at the moment, and if you don’t agree with me, that’s also fine of course. Pol is doing an excellent job as a raid leader. In a way I am gratefull you started this thread Drae, cause I hope there will be a movement to get guildies back to raiding. I think it’s a good thing if we do more things together in the guild (it should however never be an obligation). Beside raiding I also hope we can get more mythic+ runs going.

Thanks for reading,
Blackwidow

[Blackwidow]

There’s indeed no one to blame for the stop of heroic raids. It is normal for players to have different goals while raiding: some are mainly there for having fun and others wanna go straight ahead for the curve. I hope no one feels bad about it. I agree with Pharven. Blizzard should give more content.
I just hope we get a bit more positivity back in the guild. Let’s see where we can find eachother.

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